Remember You Are The Prize

One in every 20 or so women I approach is a "difficult" girl, and I get thrown for a loop. What I mean by difficult is that they're purposely contrarian. It's okay to approach and start talking. But, then, they don't want to be figured out. So anytime that you say anything to use the values you've elicited or gain rapport or show that you understand them, they'll respond by either saying the opposite or by just answering vaguely and mysteriously and non-commitally

Lance Delacroix: And getting you hooked! There's a lesson here!

Basically, these are women who are giving you shit tests and battles of wits all the time, half as a method of flirting and half as a protective shield to keep emotional distance. They're smiling and enjoying the conversation, but you are getting absolutely nowhere. They're the easiest girls to figure out, but the last ones to ever admit that they've been figured out because their self-image is so tied up in the idea of being "complicated" and "too intelligent to be out getting picked up" (though they're generally not that intelligent compared to a lot of other women). I'm probably not explaining this as well as I could, but do you know the type of woman I'm talking about?

Lance Delacroix: Yup. They are intriguing, aren't they?

Anyway, I usually get frustrated and eject or move on to her friend (because I get annoyed, though I'll always smile and never show it). But, does anyone have a bridge or pattern or idea that works on these women, to get past the BS and stupid cryptic comments to the more simple, interesting, and vulnerable woman hiding underneath?

Lance Delacroix: How about Mystery's line? Ask her what she can tell you about any qualities she has that might make you want to get to know her better. Remember, Christopher, YOU are the prize.

Or maybe there's a way to completely change her state--by, perhaps, instead of trying to build rapport, taking her outside of herself in some way--very strongly taking her on some sort of adventure (with words or actions) that makes her forget about and let go of herself and the self-image she so tightly clings to for a moment.

Lance Delacroix: That suggests asking her what HER idea of such an adventure might be.... Like, if she could be anywhere of her choosing doing anything she pleased right now....

Maybe more negs? I don't know. Any suggestions? (And I'm not accepting "eject" as an answer--there must be a way.)

Lance Delacroix: You're right to pursue this. Anyone can eject, but someone like you can figure out how to nail her.

Tzeen: Shit man....I hear what you're saying. I found one like that about 2 weeks ago. Her fucking mind games and stupid comments kept making me really uncomfortable and throwing me off my game. I planned on seeing her mainly so I could practice some SS techniques but I spent the whole damn time dancing around her god damn pointless questions. She answered my questions with questions, and I got nowhere.

Style: Yes, this is exactly the type of girl I'm talking about. So annoying!

In the end, she just turned out to be a horny little slut, because I fucked her, left, then blew her off for good three days later (i disliked her enough to pass on sex with her a second time...because it would have meant seeing her again.) I think the problem is, patterns don't seem to work on these girls, because they turn them around and return fire with mind games of their own. Someone on this board (I'm sorry, i can't remember who...but it wasn't ray) pointed out that the sluts play a lot of mind games so they can seem more complicated than a girl who just likes to fuck.

Style: Interesting. I never thought of it that way.

In my opinion...the mind games might come down a notch if you can get her comfortable enough to let you fuck her. If she's using it as a defense mechanism...perhaps sex will lower her defenses for good. I guess if i had met my weirdo chick a second time, i would have found out.. but i disliked her way too much.

Style: Okay, makes sense. But HOW do you get her to let drop her annoying games/defenses enough to go home with you? What did you talk about? How do you get her in the mood?

the difficult ones aren't worth the effort imo...not when HBs are a dime a dozen and many of them give in to the most basic SS techniques.

Willie D: 1 in 20? Shit, I would eject those like a crappy 8 track tape and concentrate on the 95 percent that aren't difficult.

Franco: I founded Your post very interesting and I have some comments and suggestions.. I also recognize that kind of woman. I think they can be fucked but You need to put the into "refrigerator" I invented the term. I explain what I mean.

1. I think the more a woman rejects Your efforts of building rapport and eliciting values the more she is HORNY. I think that is a defense and if a woman defends herself so much against building a rapport I take this like a positive sign. That means generally that she will fuck You even easier if You succeed in building the rapport

2. Why should You eject her? I invented for this kind of ladies a technique which I call THE REFRIGERATOR technique. The only think You have to do is to make sure You will be able to meet her again in some way. She defends herself against building rapport and You trying to elicit values. Good ! You tell her "nice to talk to You, maybe we meet again sometimes" Than You try to meet her again but do not tell her You are trying to do that. It is not difficult. You can walk in the same place she is, go to the same school, talk to her girlfriend and so on. When You meet her YOU START AGAIN WITH BUILDING RAPPORT AND ELICITING VALUES. As far as You do not make mistakes she will be surprised for You trying again. This will induce respect for You. She will think/feel "this guy must be special if he has the courage to try again even if I tell so much bullshit"

3. As this way of doing ( THE REFRIGERATOR TECHNIQUE ) is very frustrating You need in the meantime to build to Yourself other situations which are gratifying for You. So You meet other ladies. Do MLTR and so on.

4.I also think these ladies have some unconscious masochistic needs so if You can do all the WALK OUT You can. Make to understand You do not need her. Talk to her about Your former relationships. Let her know You had and have a lot of success with ladies ( not straightly of course, she nails You if You try to inflate Your Ego too directly, tell only "casual stories" of success You had before ) For example You tell "I was so tired of that Mary, who was such an HB but was such a stupid lady I could not even listen to her bullshit, I liked her very much but had to dump. I am so glad to talk to You, You seem so intelligent" and so on.. In that way You tell her at the same time You like her but also make to understand You have a lot of HBs around and that if she keeps telling You bullshit You are going to have some fun with others and so on. If she is masochist enough she will like that. Make these stories to look like something You say "naturally" and "casually"..

5. You put up a STRUCTURE for her ( Men are very good in creating structures ) You decide to meet her for example 10 minutes at any time You like, for example once a month or once a week and You do that regularly without making her to understand You plan it. Make it to seem natural..

With this REFRIGERATOR thing I fucked sometimes "difficult ladies" after one year I had been working on them.. In the meantime I had fun with others. So waiting for such a pleasant time for me..

Also read this ebooks:

Michael Hall - The Users Manual For The Brain
Chris Jackson - How To Get Her To Make The First Move

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