You missed the thread where Alex originally posted this. There was a discussion of Cajun's Keys to the VIP performance on RSDNation. Alex said it was crap, "ewww", things like that. Someone asked Alex if he had any better infield video, and this is what he responded with. When Tyler and co returned from vacation in Africa, they deleted the thread. Did anyone bother to save a copy?
Who would rag on Cajun's game on the Keys to the VIP episode? Apparently, Real Social Dynamics executive coach, Alex.
That might be what spurred Alex to record infield footage of what PROPER game would look like during a visit to a gay bar in Australia. (Nothing wrong with that, I know a few people that pickup successfully at gay bars)
It's the fact that this began with Alex saying that Cajun's great performance was horrible even against the mild positive reaction of RSD Nation. Some of the guys were wondering what their actually supposed to try and do when meeting women
Well
RSD PULL THE THREAD
That thread was deleted apparently after Tyler et al returned from vacation. They are entitled to do that. It's their forum. I'm also allowed to pull the "cached "forum thread from Google.
Here are the cached forum threads 1,2,3.
A PARTIAL SCREEN CAPTURE:
RSD Coach Alex Disliked Cajun's Performance
THE HIGHLIGHTS
Alex's first impression after seeing Cajun's video:
heyi hate to flame but its pretty yuk.
Ryan, Saad, what do you think?
Alex~
THE THREAD STARTER REPLIES:
Just curious. What does he do that is not very good? I think he establishes himself as high value right off the bat. Has confidence. Touches a lot. Gets rid of the cock block w/ zero effort. Isolates. Establishes a dialogue and keeps interest. Continues to touch. Then I agree it gets a little sloppy on the close but otherwise, heading in the right direction. IMO. But I'd love to get your input. You guys obviously do this for a living and masters at the craft. Would love to hear what could have been improved.
A HATER:
Heh I was rifling through random pick up videos on Youtube linked off this vid and the rest of the community seems to have DEVOLVED. Maybe it's just in comparison to RSD but holy shit. So many other companies are just blatantly GODAWFUL. Totally coming from the wrong headspace, self-parodying garbaggio deluxe. No wonder PUAs have a bad name in the mainstream. I thought the stereotype of a Dungeons and Dragons nerd trying to trick women back into his chode cave was overwith and done but I have no doubt most NEWBIES on RSDn would outperform so-called gurus from other companies in the field. It's just sad, more than anything. Oh and the guy in the video. Cajun seems like a pretty cool guy. He has tight verbal game and is nice enough but he comes off kinda gay (feminine polarity) and just plows along blindly.
ALEX:
hey man, have you done a bootcamp or seen the blueprint if you do it will seriously blow yor mind.
My students would fucking own thiese guys and the panel of 'experts' except for the guy on the end.
When hes getting the number they will flake on him.
When he talks he is demonstrating lower value because hes coming from the frame that the girl is better than him.
I dont know why there is resistance to giving the number.
Can you hear the way that he talks sounds contrived like hes second guessing himself and working others as opposed to just holding true to himself?
Also his tonality is bad, continually rising deluxe. He could smile more.
Its clear that hes not 100 percent self assured.
he certainly is executing some social patters.
But no one should have to use social manipulations to compensate for their true self.
Its like giving a gun to a weak dude. it will get some reactions but it should never compensate for you.
Ultimately the gun (outer game) is only as good as the operator.
The guy is probably a hella cool dude. To employ these things is for him to assume that he is lesser of a guy than he really naturaly is.
These little game things hes doing is a 'pretending to be a chode' ego.
If he just said hi, and then entertained himself with some deliberate illogicality that involved the girls with him it would be enough.
he would be acting authentically, in alignment with his internal compass.
Alexander~
ALEX WITH MORE PLAYA HATE:
actually it wouldnt look like skills because it would come off naturally.
They would claim the girl already had buying temp or that we were born natural.
With natural game there isnt anything to 'see' per se. Its alot deeper than that.
its a way of being.
Alexander~
TOM CRUISE FROM MAGNOLIA?
It basically comes down to the fact that he's wearing a pick up persona. It's obvious his real, core self would not be congruent with that. He has a cock, he should act like it. Instead he's acting like he's got ants in his pants and he needs to dance. I'm dead serious, I will get on this show next season. Watch for it.
SOME GUYS DEFENDED CAJUN:
Huh? Are you saying that old-school routine game doesn't work at all? As I see it, Cajun did magnificently and pulled it off very "naturally" in the episode. In fact, if I didn't know he was running routines, I would think it was "natural".
Just trying to close some loose ends. I think most of your observations are spot on. But I still think this guy seems pretty smooth. I might not be an expert but it seems like we are overanalyzing this? I don't play basketball but I know that Chris Paul is pretty damn good. It doesn't take an expert to see that. I've been around the bar/ club scene for awhile and I know when I see a guy w/ pretty good stuff. I still think Cajun is pretty good.
Specifically where could Cajun have improved? Check out his other 2 pick up attempts. Besides having an angle, he uses canned approaches. But this seems to be his schtick. So, whatever. Overall, Cajun seems to disarm women quite well and get them sucked into his world. Aside from the feminine comment, which is a little unfair. I think Tim comes off as a little feminine too, to each there own. You work with what you have. Where were the mistakes? what could have been improved upon? View part 3/3 his last one. Just curious, so I can make adjustments in my game. I feel like I'm pretty good and do fine at the clubs, but I felt like Cajun was pretty smooth. The other guy was horrible. Thanks for the input guys.
CONCLUSION
THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND. Some of you are worrying about me "bashing" people and sensationalizing this? You guys are much, much smarter than that.
I'm reporting this stuff straight from their mouths and the vibe Real Social Dynamics seem to present "in the gut" WRONG to me now. I wonder why David Deangelo doesn't promote them anymore?
Time to fight against this stuff. It's making the community appear manipulative and down right weirder.
I used to be very weary of Thundercat's exposes of Real Social Dynamics but after hearing numerous accounts from Stephen Nash, Barry Kirkey (ex-coaches) and various other close associates to RSD it's just starting to concern me. I'm sure Tyler is a nice enough bloke, but he needs to control this stuff (or maybe NOT control it). m
By the way, Tyler DOES read this blog so there's an open invitation to rebut anything I've posted and to offer another explanation for this stuff. I'd love to hear it and post it for everyone.
Recommended books (downloadable pdfs):
Pickup101 - 11 Deadly Mistakes That Can Destroy Your First DateGeoff - Real Social Dynamics Rsd 1 Seminar Notes
Tyler Durden - Real Social Dynamics Rsd Workshop Amsterdam 2004 Seminar Notes
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